Category talk:Events

Proposed category cleanup

I'm going to be blunt with this: I don't like how categories are being used on the Wiki. Our categories need to be organized, thorough, and efficient. Currently however, our categories are awkward and incomplete, full of inconsistencies, and lack a greater sense of organization. The Categories on the PF1 Wiki are great examples of what we need, they'd be diffrent, of course, but they provide excellent frameworks we can build on. Here are some guidelines I think will be helpful:

1. The name of a category needs to be concise and short, but still be able to clearly explain what belongs inside of it. Long titles take longer to read and process, we need to limit unnecessary information as much as we can.
   • Image categories need to have "(Image)" in the title, preferable placed at the end (placement can be discussed).
2. Each time an page is added to a category, the edit summary should explain why that page belongs in a category. This should help figuring out what pages belong in which categories.
3. Categories Pages should be made before Wiki Pages are added to it. This should help prevent editors from making unnecessary categories, and wasting time adding pages to them. If a category is not needed, it should be deleted.
4. Pages should not be a part of more than 3 categories. The most specific categories should be used in cases were more than 3 apply.
5. Use the Talk pages. If you need help on a specific page, or just need opinions on something, use a wiki talk page. Be sure to check other talk pages before you open a new one, as your issue might have already been answered. Don't be afraid to open new Talk pages.
   • The Wikipedia page on Categories and Category Pages have useful information too, be sure to check them out.

There needs to be a large category cleanup done for the Wiki, but I need opinions on the most efficient way to do it. I'm currently moving, so I'm stuck on mobile, so no major edits will be done by me for a few days. Hopefully we'll get this issue sorted by the time I can use more than an iPad. Comments and feedback would be amazing, thank you. (I choose this page because it's one of the categories that needs work, although this one, not every much.) -signed, KingVesper (talk)

Perfect timing, I was looking through the Recent Changes and thought the same thing. I agree with all of your points and would be happy to help along, albeit it will be difficult if only one person does so as the category cleanup would become biased and other editors may disagree with the changes to names and categories. If we can compile a list of categories and what they contain we can all agree on one set format or naming criteria so that categories follow a homogeneous pattern. A point I may bring up after looking over the categories used on other wikis is the fact that many categories (if not all) are in plural, so "(Image)" may be rephrased to "(Images)". I have a section below with a basic list of image categories I believe we should keep. Discussion is encouraged. Note an asterisk is used as a wildcard; the use of it should be easily determinable. -Lugia101101 (talk) 13:08, 30 July 2014 (BST)

Thank you, so much. I agree that there should be more than one editor deciding on where pages should be put, that's only fair. The change to "(Images)" is fine, I thought that was what I had originally written, my apologizes on that. Your table looks lovely, that's basically what I had in mind for the image categories. The page categories can be figured out once we have stable pages, hopefully that won't take long now that we have an official Wiki team.

Categories like "Party Summary" need to be changed as well. Perhaps having a category made for screencaps, like the Category:Basic Mechanics (Images), but for all screencaps. We can then get more specific, adding them to subcategories to show the pages on PFQ that were taken from. Should we consider adding a "(Screencaps)" title on categories mostly made up of screencaps? Although, no all images in these categories will be screencaps, so this may cause some confusion. Maybe if we use a different title for these kinds of categories? I don't know though; I'm a little on the fence with this. Oh, and before forget, we need a category for the NPC images too. -signed KingVesper (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2014 (BST)

If we're going to define what is in the category, such as (Images) or (Screencaps), I'd say we'd have to ban all other types from the category, just to make everything clear. With things like Category:Party Summary, a subcategory may help to contain all of the screen shots, simply adding the (Screencaps) suffix may suffice, but if you can think of something else that would work, go right ahead. I added the NPC Image category to the list too. If you have any suggestions or additions, just go right ahead and add them, since in the end the table will have been changed and discussed until a unanimous vote is reached. -Lugia101101 (talk) 10:31, 31 July 2014 (BST)

Sorry for the delayed response, my internet provider is terriable and I've been without internet for over two weeks now. But I agree with what you've said, it would make things easier and much more organized. I think one large category named something along "PFQ Screencaps (Images)" with subcategories for the actual Screencaps, named after the PFQ pages they were taken from, might work nicely.

Hopefully we'll hear feedback from someone else, but if no one does, we are both Wiki Editors, and I think both of us being in complete agreement with the categories on the table (once we finish it), will be enough. I won't be able to help until I can get a stable internet connection (probably Tuesday), so hopefully someone will join the conversation by then. - signed, KingVesper (talk) 01:37, 10 August 2014 (BST)

I haven't had anything to say yet (except that I really like the table so far), but talking about screencaps: Is a sub category with the page name really necessary? Usually there are 1-2 screencaps on a page, I don't really remember more than that, so does it make sense to add categories only for single screencaps? Or is this important for the organisation? I'm still confused about categories, that's actually one of the reason I didn't have anything to say, yet. --Uzumi (talk) 01:47, 11 August 2014 (BST)

I'm not exactly a category guru, but I think having a category with a single image seems a bit redundant. Unless you mean "Lab (Screencaps)" for all relating to the page on PFQ rather than those on the Wiki. Wikipedia had no real info on its use of categories, but I guess they'd never have any redundant categories with only one or two pages/files in them. -Lugia101101 (talk) 07:41, 12 August 2014 (BST)

I've made some edits to the Category List, just to make sure all the Categories have a place in the new system. Anyways, I don't think it would be very efficient to have 1-2 Screencaps in a category. I was thinking that instead of that, we could make exclusive screencap categories as subsections for the Image categories that had 5+ screencaps inside them. Screencaps would all then belong to the Screencap category. Hopefully that makes sense? -signed, KingVesper (talk) 05:24, 13 August 2014 (BST)

Awesome, looks like it's coming along. I tend to agree, and I understand what you're saying. Maybe a Misc. category for all of the un-sub-categorised screencaps would be a valuable addition? Since looking through the supercategory for the images would become time consuming if it was required. -Lugia101101 (talk) 13:26, 14 August 2014 (BST)

On the category list: I think PFQ Eggs is better than Event Eggs, because "PFQ" includes Events but "Events" would exclude special Eggs like Shinxel. But I don't know if Shinxel is the only exception and if it's okay to chose that name because of it. On Mega Evolution Items (Images): Shouldn't this be Mega Stones (Images)? And the Mega Ring would belong to Key Items (Images). Because according to the "Ditto for all sections of the inventory pane." it seems like these categories should be based on what inventory tabs they belong to and not on their function. Event/PFQ Pokémon are missing, I guess they should be named the same as the associated Egg category. Custom Sprites are also missing or do they belong to Event/PFQ Pokémon? Even though I think they earn their own category. Should Shiny Pokémon be put in the same category as the normal ones? Like a Shiny Mega in the Mega Pokémon (Images) and a Shiny PFQ/Event Pokémpon in the Event/PFQ Pokémon (Images) category? I think there should be separate one's for them, especially the Event/PFQ Pokémon would end up pretty large. The equivalent on Category:Currencies is missing, but it only has 3 images and one that isn't even in use. Oh, also a category for the buttons is missing (like the buttons on the Timeline of a Pokémon's Summary or the ones in the forums).

And then the more complicated part: Screencaps. I just went through all pages the Wiki offers, and the ones with the most screencaps are: PokéDex (4 Screencaps), Interactions (3), Site Skin (4), BBCode (7), Display Codes (3), I guess Public Forums could get screencaps, if Zephyr Foxworth still wants to work on it, Summary Page (4). Wow, looking through this we could probably use some more Screenshots. Anyway, there's only one page with 5+ Screencaps in it. Maybe they should be sorted by what kind of screencap it is? If it's a simple screenshot of the page just to show how it looks like (e.g. Lab) or if it shows a specific part of the page that is further explained like Display Codes? At least that way it wouldn't be all in one category.

I think this was everything I noticed about the list. Sorry for just dumping it all on you instead of adding them myself, I'm horrible with names (especially short ones) and some of my points could use at least a second opinion. --Uzumi (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2014 (BST)

Have I let you know how much I enjoy working with you, Uzumi? You're so helpful.

I've changed all the "Events" to "PFQ" for the reasons you've already covered, and "Mega Evolution Items (Images)" has been changed to "Mega Stones (Items)". I've also made a parent category for all Pokémon Image Categories, with subcategories for: PFQ, Legendary, CS, Shiny, and Mega Pokémon. As the site grows, the Pokémon categories will fill up fast. Currencies now have their own category, Zophan related images need to be uploaded and added to it. The buttons will belong to "Pokémon Summary (Images), I think, we need to figure out what to do with screencaps first.

Screencaps. Okay, I think that your idea to categorise them by what kind of screencap they are is genius. Maybe three categories would work? I have these in mind: (1) Pages, for screencaps displaying whole pages (Lab, Daycare, etc.), (2) Features, for screencaps displaying smaller, more specific features (Pokémon Summary Tabs, Dayare Tabs, TABS, etc.), and (3) Specifics for really specific screencaps (BBCodes, "Hold Egg" button, etc.). The names need to be changed, it's late but I can't think of proper ones right now, so I picked the first that came to me. Is that what you had in mind? -signed, KingVesper (talk) 08:40, 22 August 2014 (BST)

Indentation reset

Indeed, nice to chat to as well. :D That table sure has grown! Regarding screencaps: I do like the idea, and those three categories work well. Pages and Specifics seem fine names to me, and I can't think of anything for Features, but it does sound slightly off. -Lugia101101 (talk) 13:28, 22 August 2014 (BST)

I don't know about you guys, but I can't work with this table anymore. It was edited way too often and is now a total mess. So I made a new table, it's currently on my userpage, because I didn't want to simply delete this one. I removed descriptions, even though they need to be added when actually creating the category, because most of them are self-explanatory. Feel free to copy it on this page if you want to.

Basically what I changed on this table (besides moving stuff around and writing down all categories that we'll have at the end):

- PFQ Pokémon/Eggs changed to "Exclusive Pokémon" and "Exclusive Eggs" because of what Niet said here

- Cut out the "Mega Pokémon (Images)" category, it seemed like the only Pokémon in there actually belong in the "Exclusive Pokémon (Images)" category, as only sprites from Q mega evolutions were there. An alternative would be naming it "Exclusive Mega Pokémon (Images)", considering how many exclusives there will be this doesn't sound like a bad idea

- Added the "Exclusive Mega Pokémon (Images)" category, it should also include the Shinies I think, as there probably won't be too many exclusive Megas

- Changed the "Shiny Pokémon (Images)" to "Exclusive Pokémon Shiny (Images)" as CS don't have a Shiny form and Shiny Legendaries aren't used, yet. If they're going to be added, then they should get their own "Legendary Pokémon Shiny (Images)" category. One category for both seems too much to me, considering how many exclusives there are on PF1

- Decided to put "Accessories (Images)" as a subcategory of "Inventory (Images)" even thought it hasn't an own inventory tab. Open to discussion (Okay, everything here is open to discussion)

- Added "Buttons (Images)" to "Other (Images)" as those aren't screenshots, or else they couldn't be edited when editing the Site Skin and "Pokémon Summary (Images)" would exclude the buttons used in the forums and elsewhere

- Named the screencaps screenshots, because this is what Wikipedia uses

Again, the table is currently on my userpage and can be moved here if wanted. It's just getting really hard to see on the current table which categories are already set in stone and such.

On the screenshots: Making three categories sounds best to me! I'm horrible with names (it's also 3 am over here), so I can't think of any other names for the categories. I guess as long as there is an explanation on the category page it should be fine naming them like that. --Uzumi (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2014 (BST)

Looks good to me Uzumi, does anyone else have any recommendations or changes before we implement it? -Lugia101101 (talk) 11:16, 13 September 2014 (BST)

It is really impressive how well this worked out, great job guys! I have no objections, the new table looks great.

Oh, and you can create a subpage by adding a forward slash ( / ) after the page name. A sandbox on your userpage would be: User:Uzumi/Sandbox. More info can be found on MediaWiki's Help:Subpages. -KingVesper (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2014 (BST)

Alright, looks good, shall we begin implementing them? -Lugia101101 (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2014 (BST)

We finally have everything ready and done, so we should try to implement the new categories as soon as possible. I'll start going down Uzumi's table once I get home. You're more than welcome to start whenever you can. -KingVesper (talk) 03:36, 15 September 2014 (BST)

Category List

Category	Brief description	Replacing
Generation * Eggs (Images)	Contains all of the egg images for generation * Pokémon, based off the PFQ dex numbers.	Category:Egg Images' Subcategories: Generation 1 Egg, Generation 2 Egg, Generation 3 Egg, etc.
Eggs (Images)	Contains all of the egg images, regardless of generation.	Category:Egg Images
PFQ Eggs (Images)	Contains all of the Event Eggs or Eggs exclusive to PFQ.	Category:Event Eggs
Accessories (Images)	Contains all of the sprites for the various Accessories available on PFQ.	Category:Dress Up
Mega Pokémon (Images)	Contains all of the sprites for the various Mega Evolved Pokémon.	Category:Mega_Evolution (Part)
Mega Stones (Images)	Contains all of the sprites for the various Items relating to Mega Evolution.	Category:Mega_Evolution (Part)
Ditto for all sections of the inventory pane.		Category:Berry Images, Category:Evolution Stones, Category:Evolution Items, Category:Special Evolution Items, Category:Forme change Items, Category:Gems, Category:Summon Items, Category:Currencies, Category:Account Upgrades, Category:Consumables.
Legendary Pokémon (Images)	Contains all of the Pokémon images, more specifically, Legendary Pokémon.	Category:Legendary Pokémon
Pokémon (Images)	Parent Category for Subcategories made up of Pokémon Images, e.g. Legendary Pokémon (Images)	Category:Events
Categories inside Pokémon (Images)		"PFQ Pokémon (Images)", "Shiny Pokémon (Images)", "Legendary Pokémon (Images), "Mega Pokémon (Images)", and "Custom Sprite Pokémon (Images)"
Userbars (Images)	Contains all of the userbar images used on PFQ.	Category:Userbar Images
Class Banners (Images)	Contains all of the banner images used to denote rank on PFQ.	Category:Class Banners
NPCs (Images)	Contains all of the official images of the NPCs found on PFQ (no Screencaps, Art and Sprites only).	Category:NPCs (Part)
Daycare (Images)	Contains all of the images relating to the Daycare (Screencaps and Images).	Category:NPCs (Part)
Ditto for all similar categories.		Category:Pokédex, Category:Farm, Category:Scour, Category:Shelter, Category:Party Summary (Broken into Userpage, Party, and Pokémon Summary), and Category:Support Center.
Screencaps (Images)	Parent Category for all Screencap Subcategories used on PFQ.	Category:Site Skin
BBCode Screencaps (Images) (or) BBCode (Screencaps) (?)	Subcategory to "Screencaps (Images)", containing screencaps displaying examples of BBCode.	Category:BB Code
Currencies (Images)	Contains all images relating to PFQ Currencies.	Category:Currencies
Miscellaneous (Images)	Contains all Images that do not belong to other categories.	N/A