Talk:Events

Would a redirect or merge be better here?

I have noticed that there are links to the ongoing and concluded event pages in the titles. Wouldn't it therefore be better to either merge or redirect those pages into this article? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 14:09, 12 July 2014 (BST)

I think adding the current events to this page is a good idea, but Past Events should have its own page. If it will be like on the old PF1 where there was more than one Event every month, then putting every event on one page might be too much. But I also think that the past events should be ALL on the other page and not like right now where there is one page for the Events as in "What was happening" and one separate page for "What you could get". The whole Event thing need definitely some overthinking, it looks just thrown together right now. I don't even know if the "Current events" on the Navigation was really intended for this use. (It doesn't look like this because the page's title is "PFQWiki:Current Events".) So yeah my idea is:

Events: Explanation what events are, current Events and/or Events that are announced (should this also include "Events" like the July Sale?), explanation on past events, when programmed maybe also how to get past events?

Past Events: Not really sure about this one. Maybe like Updates a table for every month? Columns could be Time span (when did the event start and when did it end?), description and price (as in what did you get)? Any additional thought is greatly appreciated. --Uzumi (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2014 (BST)

Eh, Current Events sounds like it should be an at-a-glance page for what's happening on the site. So events or promotional sales would belong there for easy access. The Events page should explain what events are, as you say, with the more detailed events getting a write-up on that page. Past Events is just a listing of all the events in chronological order. I think some of the columns should be changed, but I'm content with how that page looks generally. Events in that list would link to their description in the Events page.

So, no. I do not think merging those other pages here would be better. If instead, all the other references linked to this page, we could direct that traffic to the other two pages to prevent confusion as to which link to use when editing. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2014 (BST)

So does that mean that each individual event would get linked to either the Current Events page or the past events page? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 02:38, 13 July 2014 (BST)

Yes, that'd be what would happen, if I'm interpreting your question correctly. Although, that would be problematic I just realized.

I've given this a bit more thought. (After rereading Uzumi's post with a more lucid mindset.) How does the following sound? :

All the events should be listed under Past Events. Events should just be the in-general article about how events work and such, linking to the list of current and past events. Current Events would list any events going on, including promotional sales or similar. Past Events would keep its current format I think. If an event listed under Past Events needs a more detailed explanation, a subpage could be made for that event under Pase Events. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 03:42, 13 July 2014 (BST)

I understand this right? There should be two pages: Events and List of Events? (I don't think Past Events is a fitting name for this if current events and maybe announced events are on this, too.) If yes then I agree, this sounds like a good plan. But keeping that current format wouldn't work if we include every kind of Event and promotional sales. Right now it's already messy if there is an event with only an item and then one with Pokémon because there is always something left blank. When adding events that only have a description like promotional sales (while the table doesn't even have a place for descriptions) it would look even weirder. I also think that we shouldn't add the latest event at the bottom of the page, that already bothers me on the event page of the PF1 wiki. I think current events and events that people may have missed because they were inactive for a while are more important than the events from "the past" and should be at the top of the page.

But I guess discussing on how it should look like should be done on the talk page of Past Events? If we agree on making events into two pages with one being "Events": a general explanation on how events work, what kind of events exist and later then how to get past events. And a second page "List of Events:" with past events, current events (and announced events?). --Uzumi (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2014 (BST)

Just a thought, but considering that a generic description of what an event is could probably be described in a paragraph or so, might it be best to just have the event list page on its own, with a generic description in the lead paragraph? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 13:20, 13 July 2014 (BST)

@Uzumi: Yeah, those two pages + Current Events would be the things we want. I don't think that promotional sales belong on the list of events, since they don't have any specific rewards or even fit the definition of a typical 'Event'. They're kinda their own entity. I agree that discussion of the table layout should move to that page now. Although, what did you think about the more unique/complicated events having a page like "List_of_Events/EventName"?

@Crazy/Tornadoes: Having a brief description is nice on its own, but there would still be details needed to explain, whether it's nuance or some other details. So both its own page and a brief description on the link may be best. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2014 (BST)

If we can get together enough information to make a decent page out of it, I'm all for it. --TornadoesW7 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2014 (BST)

Considering how long the Events page on the PF1 wiki is I don't think getting enough content will be a problem in the future. I'm currently writing it up (but not posting yet, because I want to wait until the Mega Stones are given out and because It's 4 a.m. right now and I really don't trust myself). Right now it doesn't have especially much written down, but we didn't have a lot of Events until now and writing down assumptions how it might be in the future doesn't help anyone. Parts like obtaining the Event rewards are still pretty small, especially how to get one if you didn't participate in the Event. It's also hard to decide how to categorize Events (Clicking-Event, Events that only change the Appearance of the Site/Pokémon/Sprites and so on), because it's not clear which will happen more often and which were just a one-time-happening. But even like that I still think the details on Events deserve its own page, especially because the List of Events/Past Events will eventually get pretty long and already a hassle to manage.

@Zephyr Foxworth: You're right, promotional sales really have nothing to do with it. I'm still not sure if a "Current Events" page. Like do announced Events belong on it? If not, then it will be empty most of the time, most events only last for a few days also there would be no place to put the announced events. If the announced Events are on this page, then I can see how it would be nice to have it later on, when the List of Events/Past Events gets too long which makes it longer to load. Hm, I can't decide, I guess it wouldn't hurt and be especially nice for people with slower internet. And if the Current Events are similar to the Past Event page then the finished events could be just copied over there.

Oh and on Fabu Friday, I think this is more of a feature than an Event and deserves its own page. Otherwise it'd be permanently on the Current Event page (or until it's cancelled). --Uzumi (talk) 03:13, 28 July 2014 (BST)

Wow this has been a long thread. I might've restated your points when I opened a new discussion on the Past Events talk page, Uzumi. I did not remember you mentioning it on this page over two weeks ago.

Last I heard, Niet has said that he had not entirely worked out how events will run in the future on PFQ. So any distribution used so far has potential to have just been a one-off deal. So maybe a "Unique" category if we need it later on for a list, with each unique or complicated event getting it's own page, as you said.

I'm a bit confused as to where our interpretations of the Current Events page lie currently. Can we get a discussion specifically for that page started there? This page is getting crowded. I agree about the FabuFriday being a feature at this point, and can be removed from this page. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 05:33, 29 July 2014 (BST)

Unrelated comment - Just letting you all know that I have changed accounts from Skamecrazy123 to TornadoesW7. --TornadoesW7 (talk) 14:01, 13 July 2014 (BST)

Giving each Even an own page?

Should the Events each receive their own Subpage on Events? (Or maybe Past Events? I'm not sure.) The list is already pretty long and it won't get any shorter, some Events like Halloween may happen but slightly changed, so maybe an "Events:Halloween" page would be useful to collect Halloween Events from 2014, 2015 etc. The pages are probably going to start out small, so I'm not sure if it's really worth it, but keeping it all on the Events page seems too clustered to me. --Uzumi (talk) 18:13, 4 November 2014 (GMT)

I'd prefer to have them under Events, since some of them may end up recurring (MCW). You're definitely right about clearing it off the Events page. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2014 (GMT)

Should the pages be linked from Events or from Past Events? There's already a list of all the events on Past Events, but maybe it could be useful to also add a list with only the names to Events, too? Like instead of Past Events where MCW, MCW 2, MCW3, MCW4 and so on exist, the Events Page would just link to Mass-Click Weekend. This way the pages on Past Events could link to a specific part of the subpage and the Events would just link to the subpage itself. The linking to specific parts may not be useful for most Events, but yearly events like Halloween might change next year. (I had to rewrite my answer more than 5 times, so sorry if something sounds off.) --Uzumi (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2014 (GMT)

We can link from both, honestly. What you said for where to link to for each case sounds good to me. -Zephyr Foxworth (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2014 (GMT)